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VESC Battery Packs

VESC battery packs are the latest in innovative battery technology. These packs offer a high energy density (WH per Volume) and are therefore perfect to power  mountainboards or any other applications.

So what makes these packs so special?

The VESC Battery Pack Technology doesn't use spot welding to interconnect the individual cells. The connection is made via a special, 25A fused contact element, designed and manufactured by TRAMPA BOARDS LTD.

Using this pack allows you to purchase cells locally and fit them into a 12S7P cell array. After closing the pack, you have a perfect battery with a perfect battery management system. And if a cell goes bad one day, you can swap out individual p-groups in no time.

If your cells reach their end of life, you can simply buy new cells and recycle the old. So instead of buying a new and expensive pack, you will only need relatively cheap new cells. The initial investment might equal the investment of a pre-made pack, but as soon as it's time to replace the cells, the price drop in getting a second pack is dramatic. Spot welded pack can't be serviced and are pretty much useless the day one cell goes bad! Way too many good cells end in recycling these days, only because they sit next to a bad cell, permanently interconnected via a spot weld - we resolved this issue and offer an environmentally friendly solution, so that the same pack can stay healthy for a way longer period of time.

Wiring:

There is no wiring involved. Everything is PCB based, neat, tidy and clean.

BMS:

The BMS on this device is the latest in BMS technology. Using the same chipset that is used by the world's leading electric vehicle manufacturer TESLA, this pack features a self monitoring system of automotive grade. Beside that, the system monitors the pack temperature in several locations and allows placement of an additional temperature sensor that can be attached directly to a cell in the middle of the pack. A humidity sensor monitors the humidity inside the enclosure, so that water ingress can be spotted via App.  Yes, the pack is connectable to the famous VESC-Tool App. You can not only monitor the pack, but also work on your pack and start and stop balancing, even if you're not charging at that time. The BMS also features CAN-Bus connection and VESC motor controllers can therefore know individual cell voltages, so that a low voltage cutoff can be executed in reference to the lowest cell voltage in the pack, preventing over-discharge of individual P-groups. The BMS features SWD, CAN and USB connectivity. FW updates can be managed via VESC-Tool and the CAN interface. CAN also allows you to couple individual packs to form a bigger battery array (in series, in parallel or both). The CAN Bus is therefore 600V isolated.

Safety:

- Individual cell fusing will give you the confidence that each cell in the pack is secured against short circuiting. A faulty cell would be decoupled within seconds and would therefore not cause any further danger.

- Temperature monitoring in up to 5 locations of the pack.

- Humidity sensor

- Self monitoring, automotive grade chipset.

- App connectivity lets you see what is going on with your pack. Are my cell all healthy and good?

- Charge port with Mosfet switch allows the BMS to decouple the charger at any time.

- Easy to service and extract unhealthy cells.

Pack capacity is roughly 1KWh:

Sony VTC 6: 3120mAh x 7 = 21840mAh = 969Wh

Samsung Q30: 3000mAh x 7 = 21000mAh = 932Wh

LG 18650 MJ1: 3500mAh x 7 =24500mAh = 1087Wh

Build time:

Roughly 45 minutes

Flight legal:

-Extract cells and box in air travel safe 99Wh packs

-Check with Airline prior to flight

-Reassemble pack after arrival

Parallel and Serial arrays:

These packs can be stacked in parallel and series.

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Media Folder: 

 

VESC Tool.jpg

Media Folder: 

 

https://trampaboards.com/battery-boxes-c-775.html

TechAUmNu
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So what is the max current rating on the pcbs? How thick is the copper?

frank
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You can pull 25A per cell in a P group. 175A is doable. If something gets warm ( PCB or Cells) it will be noticed and CAN link into VESC allows to take that into consideration for drawing less Amps.

With this Pack we enter new territory of smart Batt/ESC linking,

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Hi frank, interesting concept!

I wonder if there are plans to make different 12s configuration of this "battery assembly" as well?
Lets say 5Ah, 7Ah, 10Ah, 15Ah,   or even for 21700 cells?

 

 

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Hi Frank,

What made you/Vedder decide to enter an already pretty busy BMS market?
When will the schematics & firmware for these PCBs be released?
12s is pretty close to the max voltage of the VESC, will there be a 10s version?
Alternatively will there be 14/16/20s versions?
Does this BMS perform balancing and is it passive or active?

Isn't £750 quite a lot to ask for a 12s 22Ah pack?

Thanks!

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Hi Frank,

I really like the cell contact concept.
Is it possible to order the cell contact elements separately?

Thanks!

 

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I'm also interested in these cell contacts, but don't necessarily need the built in fuse. Does anyone have a comparable part number for prototyping designs?

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Hi There,

I'm working with the BHT Berlin University of Applied Sciences in the field of BMS. Are you interested in working together in the BMS topic? We also developed HW using the ltc6813...

Yours Detlef

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Hi dethei - I am looking for 24s LiFEPO4 BMS - active passive balancer - I am disapointed with DALY BMS - it shows 4.4 V for a cell - that is chemically impossible. See pictures.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/AgCp3uM6BX5n8iTR7

 

Is there any ready bms with passive active balancer, that is compatible with vesc bms software?

 

thanks zhivko.